Getting the other person to see your point of view is a hard task. A tiresome one. It could take years. If you are being reasonable and following the rules of logic and the person is not seeing it your way, raising your voice, panting, and rolling your eyes is not going to win them over to your side either. I broke my rule. Darn it. It was a friend of mine so I have myself a pass for raising my voice. You know how we treat strangers better than our own family? Well yeah, I should have done that. Being self aware is one thing but being annoyingly persistent is another. I realized I was annoyingly persistent. But damn, when you say annoying things, you gotta, you know… <grunt> … But I will learn my lesson, take this as a learning experience because its important. Clarity. Calm. know when to shut up.